Wouldn’t every team handle the situation the same?
Shouldn’t every team have the right to run it’s team they way they deem best? If not, I don’t wanna watch anymore.
Is it time to get rid of this ridiculous team orders rule? Teams are going to do it regardless so why make them attempt to hide it?
Ferrari should be forced to let the two drivers potentially wreck each other vs executing a safe pass?
Why Is Everyone So Hard On Ferrari And The Fia Following Today’s Race?
July 25th, 2010
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Maybe you’re right, maybe every team would’ve handled the situation the same. That doesn’t make it right. The rules clearly state that those kind of team orders aren’t allowed. Ferrari did it, and therefore they’re in the wrong.
What bugs me as well is that it took something from the race. The whole point in a RACE is to compete against each other. If Alonso couldn’t have overtaken Massa by fair means, then tough, that’s life. It’s a RACE.
As for the rule, well maybe it should be changed, maybe it shouldn’t. The point is that Ferrari broke a rule and should be punished, which they have been.
EDIT: They were breaking the rules, they just worded it clever. If Smedley just said “Fernando is faster than you” it would be fine, but he added “Can you confirm that you understood that message?” Why would he say that if there wasn’t an underlying message, the message being to let Alonso overtake. Then when Massa DID let him overtake he said something like “good lad… sorry”. Sorry for what? Sorry that Alonso was faster? No, sorry that I had to tell you to do that. And why would he say “good lad” after Alonso overtook him unless he was supposed to let Alonso overtake him?
They may not have explicitly said that he had to let Alonso overtake, but the message was clear. -
Yes, they should be able to run a team as they see fit! BUT until they, (the FIA), get rid of the rule
regarding ‘fixing’ an outcome, the rule stands-NO TEAM ORDERS! From the ‘race transcript’ I have seen, it was a ‘poor’ attempt, (by the Ferarri team), to circumvent the rules!
Why are people so hard on Ferrari?, maybe because people are getting ’sick and tired’ of seeing people breaking the rules, and getting away with it! (A 100g’s fine isn’t exactly a penalty!!!!) -
So Alonso gets to pass poor old Massa…..completely against FIA rules……and then the FIA fine them a paltry meaningless $100000. Remember that McClaren fine a couple of seasons ago of £100 million!!…….the FIA seems like a big joke to me ….they are clearly in bed with Ferrari.
And no they changed the rules a couple of seasons ago against team orders to stop EXACTLY THIS ever happening but because its Ferrari they dont enforce them. Look at Red Bull and McClaren. They let their drivers compete with each other properly. Alonso is a big cry baby whinging on to his Ferrari team. But the real criminals are the FIA…..it just makes me want to stop watching.
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If you listened carefully Article 39.1 in the FIA says that Team orders are not allowed. And Ferrari isobeyed that rule. But if Massa ignored Ferrari’s (Forceful) advice the Alonso would be spitting his dummy out and would quit Ferrari as they “wouldn’t love him”
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Maybe the rule is a stupid one, but it’s there. Think about it – if everyone went around breaking the rules then what would be the point? Why should the other teams get penalized when they break the rules but Ferrari gets to walk away?
And seriously, you can’t see how they broke a rule? Smedly clearly phrased it to let Massa let the whole world know EXACTLY what’s going on by saying, “OK so, Fernando is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?” and then as Massa brakes and lets the spanish prick through, he then apologises to Massa for having to do that. Smedly blatantly did that on purpose to let everyone know exactly what was going on.
But I do agree that the team orders rule is pretty damn stupid, but it’s there at the moment so why should they get to break it as they please? And I think people are being hard on Ferrari and the FIA because they (mainly just Alonso) kicks up a huge fuss when other teams break the rules (like recently with Hamilton getting a drive-through over something Alonso made sure the stewards knew about) but then he gets to walk away with a little fine when he does exactly the same thing, it is pretty frustrating. -
Well, that Article 39.1 says it all.
I was pretty convinced with the first message (Fernando is faster than you, can you confirm that message?) that it was not really a direct team order. However, Smedley apologized to Massa after the move which made things pretty obvious.
If I were Ferrari, I would blame Smedley! hehehe…
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the answer is simple. behind anything that is successful, there is a line of haters. i disagree with team orders but any team would have done it, especially after the fiasco that Red Bull had. sidenote to all the mclaren fans, when Lewis Hamilton starts driving cleanly and not lying to race stewards then you can go around calling everyone else cheaters when they beat you.
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Article 39.1 of the FIA Sporting Regulations:
“Team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited.”
Need I say more?